Liberty Blessed America

A Liberal and Conservative Discuss Socialism

Posted in Politics by Larsen Rogers on September 6, 2009

Conservative: Obama is a Socialist.

Liberal: No, he’s not.

Conservative: Prove he ain’t.

Liberal: Prove he is.

Conservative: His pushing Socialized medicine.

Liberal: No, he’s not. His pushing health-care reform, which we really need because insurance companies are screwing us over.

Conservative: He wants to kill the old people.

Liberal: No, he doesn’t.

Conservative: Yes, he does.

Liberal: No, he doesn’t.

Conservative: Prove it.

Liberal: You prove it.

Conservative: Have you ever asked yourself ‘What if Obama is a Socialist?’

Liberal: Have you ever asked yourself ‘What if Santa Claus is a child rapist?’

Conservative: That’s stupid and un-American.

Liberal: My question is just as meaningless as your’s.

Conservative: But your question is offensive.

Liberal: So is your’s. That’s the point.

Conservative: How could you even ask such a horrible thing about a child loving individual?

Liberal: He’s Catholic.

Conservative: Oh, you are going straight to hell!

Liberal: Think about it. The original St. Nick was a Catholic priest who cared for small children. And Catholic priests are most often caught with their pants down in front of small boys, literally.

Conservative: That’s horrible.

Liberal: The point is that just because you can ask a ‘What if’ question does not make it legitimate.

Conservative: I was just asking you to think about what if Obama is a Socialist?

Liberal: And I’m saying that is a meaningless question. And I offer to you another meaningless question: What if Santa Claus is a child rapist?

Conservative: But that is offensive.

Liberal: So is your question. Anytime some uses a ‘what if’ question to indirectly allege somebody is something bad, it is offensive and wrong.

Conservative: I don’t understand. You’re just babbling. My point is that Obama might very well be a Socialist.

Liberal: And Santa Claus might very will be a child molester.

Conservative: Stop, saying that.

Liberal: Stop saying Obama is a Socialist.

Conservative: But what if he is?

Liberal: He could just as easily be a member of the Klu Klux Klan or some Neo-Nazi Party.

Conservative: Could not?

Liberal: Why not?

Conservative: He’s black.

Liberal: So what? He could be the first African American Klansman.

Conservative: That’s just stupid.

Liberal: So is your ‘what if’ question.

Conservative: You’re an idiot, Liberal Moron, Communist sympathizer.

Liberal: And you Conservatives always start the name calling when you lose a debate.

Conservative: Do not.

Liberal: Do so.

Conservative: Not.

Liberal: So.

Conservative: I didn’t lose.

Liberal: Yes you did.

Conservative: Did not.

Liberal: Did so.

Conservative: Not.

Liberal: So.

Conservative: I fucking won because I love America and you hate it.

Liberal: You hate America. You Nazi pig.

Conservative: Fuck you!

Liberal: No, Fuck you!

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  1. Ben Hoffman said, on September 6, 2009 at 10:15 pm

    lol!

  2. chrisbolts said, on November 20, 2009 at 3:03 am

    When someone says, “If we spread the wealth around then it’ll be good for everybody” that makes you a Socialist.

    When someone says a “profit” is an operating expense there’s a good chance he’s a Socialist.

    When Hugo Chavez says, “We better watch out or else Obama is going to be to the Left of us” that’s a pretty good indication that you’re a socialist.

    When your former pastor of 20 years gives a speech at the Socialists Convention in New York that is also a good indication you’re a Socialist (and please spare me that he never heard anything the man said).

    When you call “healthcare reform” the government taking over 1/6 the economy, that makes you a socialist.

    When you nationalize car industries that makes you a socialist.

    When you spend $787 billion and then start fudging the numbers that makes you a socialist.

    When you grovel to your enemies and have nothing but contempt for your fellow Americans that makes you a socialist.

    I see that this post was made back in September. You probably have a lot more evidence by now that should convince you that Obama is a Socialist. Unless, of course, you are alright with all of the above which probably is a good indication that you’re a socialist yourself. 😛

    • Larsen Rogers said, on November 20, 2009 at 3:27 am

      Actually none of those items meet the definition of socialism according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism. Calling someone a socialist doesn’t make that person a socialist. Listing half-truths, popular propaganda, and misinformation in sentences that all end with “that makes you a socialist” does not make one a socialist.

      However, I would rather be in the company of a socialist instead of a wealth-stealing conservative.

      • Jay said, on February 27, 2010 at 8:31 am

        Rofl! Wealth stealing conservative?! What do you call a liberal then? A “we won’t let you acumilate it so the conservatives can’t steal it” democrat?!

        What do you think “spread the wealth around” means?!

        Any expansion of the federal government in the name of providing something for someone who isn’t paying for it is the same thing. For something to be given to one man by the government it must first be taken from another. The government creates ZERO wealth.

        He is a socialist pure and simple. His words and actions clearly give it away. If you can’t see it and at least admit he is, whether you agree with it or not, then I hope you also don’t know how to vote.

        Wake up.

      • Larsen Rogers said, on February 27, 2010 at 4:26 pm

        I thank all of you Conservatives who responded to this fabricated dialogue between a Liberal and a Conservative. The Conservative responders have proved the point I made through a humorous verbal exchange; that the perpetual see-saw discussion between Liberals and Conservatives that Obama is or is not a Socialist is pointless rhetoric.

        Most importantly, it does not matter if Obama is a Socialist Muslim or not as long as he is not a Conservative Republican. Socialists like to share things. Muslims have an ego problem. But the Conservative Republicans are destroying the very foundation of this nation.

        Conservative Republicans are reversing our history claiming it was established by Bible-thumping, gun toting, Jesus freak loving Founding Fathers when the reality is that any twelve-year old who can read at sixth grade level knows that the Founding Fathers were mostly Deists who opposed the rule of Christianity over a nation, because, guess what, they rebelled against a European nation that claimed it got its divine power from a Christian God.

        Conservative Republicans are taking money out of the hands of the working people, like me, my friends, my co-workers, and my family. They ignore our broken health-care system, which is overly expensive and provides worthless care.

        It is truly sad that so many Americans fail to recognize how close George W. Bush brought this nation to real authoritarian control; spying on Americans, invading a country with no cause, torturing prisoners, and forty other crimes. Yet so many worry about a skinny black man who voted into office to reverse course and get this country back on track.

        Sad that so many Americans, neighbors, friends, family members, and online commentators miserably fail to understand the serious danger this nation is is and that leadership like that provided by Barack Obama is needed to steer a course back to the American Values we cherish.

        Yet your only argument is that he is a socialist. I am ashamed of you, disappointed, and embarrassed by you, my family, friends, neighbors and others that fail to use some critical thinking.

        Sad that so may like you fail to recognize the difference between good leadership and bad leadership. Sad that you will stand there, like so many citizens in 1930s Germany stood there, and let the bad leaders destroy a nation.

        You sir/Ma’am, like the other commentators who share your view, have your head up your ass.

      • Anthony said, on March 16, 2010 at 3:40 am

        Way to dodge valid points.

      • Desteny said, on March 16, 2010 at 5:07 pm

        Me? Dodging valid points? No, I don’t care about any of the points made. I’m just curious about the Conservative Republican thing. I don’t want to discuss anything besides that.
        So, I’m not actually dodging anything. I’m just asking a simple question about one part of the post.

      • cpyouth said, on April 20, 2010 at 9:39 am

        And socialists (your great leader) are taking money out of the hands of working people like me, my friends, my co-workers, and my family. You see, we all work for the money we have and once we start making enough to enjoy it, fearless leader Obama steps in, takes it, and gives it to others who haven’t put the same effort into the same jobs we have. Basically, he’s a douchey Robin Hood (but will probably never be awesome enough to be played by Russel Crowe).

        I also know what it’s like to be poor as I lived out of my car, on friend’s couches, on friend’s floors and other assorted uncomfortable living spaces. Having absolutely no money taught me the values of working and also taught me that if I earn something it’s MINE because I worked for it and if some douche bag wants to come in and take it and give it to the guy next door who hasn’t been working…that doesn’t sit well with me.

        I also have a problem with your notion that America has an overly expensive health care system that provides…wait…WORTHLESS HEALTHCARE? You have got to be kidding me. While health care may be pricey, the services offered here in the USA are among the best in the world. No, that’s not the ramblings of a blue blooded redneck, that is a fact. If you can’t realize that you are beyond help.

        I’m gonna type out a little ditty I just thought up in my head, it applies directly to you: Sad that you fail to recognize the difference between good leadership and bad leadership. Sad that you will stand there, like so many citizens in 1930’s Germany stood there, and let bad leaders destroy your nation.

        You sir/Ma’am, like the other liberal, clueless, naive bloggers who share your view, have your head up your ass.

      • Larsen Rogers said, on April 20, 2010 at 1:23 pm

        Thanks for your comment. At least you took some time to think and write instead of leaving a short and simple insult.

        First, you are dead wrong to think that Obama and Liberals are taking money from the working people and giving it to the non-working people. That’s what the rich bankers did. They took money from the working people before Obama even became president.

        Next, to claim that Obama is taking money from the working people and giving it to the non-working people violates your own hypothesis that Obama is a Socialist. Socialism is just the opposite of that it takes from the rich upper class and gives to the working class, which by the way Obama is not doing that either.

        Also, talk to me about poor when you have really experienced poor. I’m talking about no car to live in, no friend’s house to sleep at. Trying living in a homeless shelter or under a bridge.

        As far as health care, trying be a parent who works but has to pay for family coverage at $1550 a month because the company doesn’t cover health insurance.

        Liberals are trying to protect the working class while your conservative friends are blocking every effort they make to change this country for the better.

        And you think I’m clueless. You sir are so clueless you make dumb and dumber look like a documentary on Einstein and math equations.

  3. chrisbolts said, on November 20, 2009 at 3:59 am

    Actually, yes, Larsen, they do make you socialist. From your link:

    “Socialism refers to various theories of economic organization advocating public or direct worker ownership and administration of the means of production and allocation of resources, and a society characterized by equal access to resources for all individuals with a method of compensation based on the amount of labor expended.”

    1) Ownership of the means of production, i.e., “healthcare reform” where “the government provides your benefit so the greedy insurance companies get what’s coming to them”.

    2) The downside to “equal access to resources for all individuals” is that it never materializes. A free market system ensures that individuals get the amount of resources that they value at the price demanded. Socialism does not. You want to ensure that you consume the amount of medical care you need? Cover your own costs and get the government AND the insurance companies out of the way and reduce insurance back to what it was intended for: covering catastrophic events which have the capability of wiping out the wealth of an individual.

    By the way, I don’t want to steal your wealth, but your philosophy DOES want to steal mine along with every other American and the Chinese, who have to finance our profligacy. Obama got an earful of that when he went to China. Taking people’s wealth and “spreading it around” ensures that all of us will be poorer and worse off.

    Take it for what you will. The first statement in my post above tells you enough about what Obama believes and that HE IS a Socialist.

  4. chrisbolts said, on November 20, 2009 at 4:05 am

    BTW, one more point from the wiki article:

    “The first advocates of socialism favoured social levelling in order to create a meritocratic or technocratic society based upon individual talent. Count Henri de Saint-Simon is regarded as the first individual to coin the term socialism.[16] Simon was fascinated by the enormous potential of science and technology and advocated a socialist society that would eliminate the disorderly aspects of capitalism and would be based upon equal opportunities.[17] He advocated the creation of a society in which each person was ranked according to his or her capacities and rewarded according to his or her work.[18]”

    Meritocratic and technocratic are polar opposites. The first means you advance based on your own talents and endeavors. That is more associated with capitalism and free markets. The latter, technocratic, is a system where those who have earned their place through social status dictate to others what they believe would be best for society. Technocratic societies can easily transform into socialist societies based on this reason alone.

    By the by, I’m a different kind of conservative as I believe that socialism has been alive and well in this country for years, dating back as far as Woodrow Wilson. If you can muster it, I suggest you read “Liberal Fascism” by Jonah Goldberg. If you can muster it.

  5. strongconservativeblog said, on January 12, 2010 at 2:02 am

    The dictionary says that socialism, “a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.” In short, a socialist pushes for government ownership of businesses, land, etc.

    President Obama has taken ownership of GMC, a private car company. He is pushing for the government ownership of or at least in competition with healthcare. Cap and trade will control the means of production. Many of his spending programs give government control over private industries. In short, he has some policies that are socialist in nature (i.e. the expansion of government) and some that are capitalist. I, with many, would argue that more of his issues are socialist than capitalist.

    Even Howard Dean has stated that the Democrat party is embracing socialism like Europe.

  6. twobudsoneblog said, on February 12, 2010 at 7:11 am

    i agree with you strongconservativeblog. I think Obama is turning our government into a socialist government as well and I don’t like it either. What did we fight all those wars for if we turn into one of them. it would make us the biggest hypocrite ever.

  7. Desteny said, on February 19, 2010 at 6:22 pm

    Wow, this is completely idiotic.

    I love how liberals enjoy making any conservative sound like a backwoods hick.

  8. Desteny said, on March 11, 2010 at 10:22 pm

    Does one have to be a Republican to be Conservative? As I am quite conservative, but I am a registered Independent. It seems like the Republicans are as bad as the Democrats. Politicians today seem to care about nothing besides their own personal gain, be them Republicans or Demorcrats. I just find it interesting that every time you reference “Conservative” it is followed by the word “Republican”.

  9. Anthony said, on March 17, 2010 at 3:21 am

    “Me? Dodging valid points? No, I don’t care about any of the points made.”

    Hence…dodging.

  10. chrisbolts said, on April 20, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    How’s this for a incestuous relationship? Obama’s largest donor hires his former White House Counsel to defend against allegations of civil fraud after taking money from both Bush and Obama Administrations.

    As for the rest of the posts, I am currently unemployed without health insurance for a family of four. Tell me why the government thinks my family and I are burden on society when we have no need to consume healthcare.


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